Re: Re: Socratesone - Fatalism Compatabilism?

	Duration: 08:03 minutes Upload Time: 07-07-20 20:10:29 User: g0at :::: Favorites
Description: This is very much rambling, just a warning response to http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPmoVwEzJaQ&mode=related&search= oh and the reason I had my hand all funny in the beginning is because I was testing to see if the video was picking up movement lol. Direct upload is retarted.
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marekennedy11 ::: Favorites ...blah,blah,blah. History is fun. I guess we have free will now because of Christ (I mean Maximus the Confessor) which might lead you to argue that before Christ came along, God was a determinist, which might lead you to argue that g0at is God. Or that all of this was added to the belief system to try to bring the arguing hordes of believers back under one happy roof. - Bored out of my mind... 07-07-24 23:27:25 _____________________________________________________
marekennedy11 ::: Favorites Ooops found more - Maximus the Confessor, sometime around 641 AD, said something along the lines of [Christ had to be antideterministic, to make the whole sacfrifice thing have meaning - making it a chosen selfless act] - That's not even close to paraphrasing 'cause I don't have the source, but kind of interesting, as the implication is that 07-07-24 23:26:31 _____________________________________________________
marekennedy11 ::: Favorites Would love to hear you rant on Physics, specifically Quantum Mechanics - spooky reaction at a distance - all of that stuff seems like a really great argument infavor of causal determinism, maybe a lot more grounded than discussing "free will" which really can't objectively be seperated from very specific religious doctrine (or maybe I'm wrong on that) Did you ever cover the historic root of the whole idea of "free will". I would love to hear the origins of that concept. Anyone? 07-07-24 21:15:11 _____________________________________________________
phaexus ::: Favorites g0at is an anarchist last I checked. We all have our flaws ;o) Is Free Will a prerequisite to be libertarian? 07-07-23 03:39:43 _____________________________________________________
phaexus ::: Favorites How convenient. Let me try that. The Singularity always was until it became the Big Bang. The Singularity cannot be created IT IS the creator, which started all things into motion. Works for me. Have a nice day. 07-07-23 03:36:28 _____________________________________________________
phaexus ::: Favorites It doesn't seem like he is talking about Free Will in the traditional sense though. It still sounds like pure determinism to me. Your ability to make decisions without duress has one or more causes. 07-07-23 03:32:11 _____________________________________________________
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Mjhavok ::: Favorites I think that also. He thinks freedom from causality is impossible and treats it as irrelevant. He does think we have other freedoms and defines that as free will, free will that is important. He may be playing with definitions. 07-07-23 09:56:55 _____________________________________________________
phaexus ::: Favorites Great vid, g0at 5/5 07-07-23 03:16:34 _____________________________________________________
g0at ::: Favorites No, I think it is the same thing. If god created EVERYTHINg, and he KNOWS you will drink the dr. pepper, HE caused you to drink it. If you are a creator, and you know something is going ot happen, and you have complete power, YOU caused it :) 07-07-22 20:33:12 _____________________________________________________
burnvictim77 ::: Favorites So, it is responsibility and not knowledge that causes the problem? 07-07-23 01:52:41 _____________________________________________________
arabian89 ::: Favorites There is no God other than ALLAH and Muhammed Peace Be Upon Him is hes Messenger الله اكبر لا الاه الا الله محمد رسول الله الله اكبر لا الاه الا الله محمد رسول الله الله اكبر لا الاه الا الله محمد رسول الله الله اكبر لا الاه الا الله محمد رسول الله الله اكبر لا الاه الا الله محمد رسول الله 07-07-22 15:20:43 _____________________________________________________
galviancrush ::: Favorites So you choose to be Muslim. Then, I'm guessing your parents are not Muslim and you do not live in a Muslim country or neighborhood. Good choose especially if you can get your head cut off if you live in a Muslim country for converting. 07-07-22 16:32:35 _____________________________________________________
phaexus ::: Favorites Allah doesn't exists and Muhammed was a disgusting character 07-07-23 03:41:47 _____________________________________________________
arabian89 ::: Favorites lol <b> my family and Muhammed pbuh and All muslims are the creation of god will you Atheist your ancestors were baboons , monkeys , apes , Gorillas , and king kong i think you dident developed since those times :P 07-07-23 09:07:54 _____________________________________________________
Saddamuel ::: Favorites I'm gonna go make shahada now. 07-08-10 01:52:30 _____________________________________________________
Rembu ::: Favorites theSouliLLUSION: perfect answer. agreed! 07-07-22 14:01:26 _____________________________________________________
thee711 ::: Favorites give me your tears gypsy. 07-07-21 21:37:28 _____________________________________________________
malachitransfer ::: Favorites No one set up the goals. The goals are internal. It's based on the program running inside. It's molded and shaped by your minds sole desire to survive or protect itself. Only the one of the two. The subconscious is actually every desire. They aren't voiced by the mind. One might say a conscious thought is a fragment of the subconscious. Presently untouched thoughts. In some circumstances the subconscious can over ride the conciousness. This may lead to some common disorders we know. 07-07-21 16:03:51 _____________________________________________________
DeletedDelusion ::: Favorites Thank you for the reply. Many Decesion probabaly are rational,conscious decesions, but I think that some decesions are not made conscioussly, but our mind creates "reason" for this decesion later, the subconsciouss sometime fools the consciousness. This could be proven by an outside observer in an controlled enviroment. 07-07-21 10:47:15 _____________________________________________________
Nielsio ::: Favorites I thought you went along the line of 'what if you tell someone that he is going to do x..'. That's exactly said assumption. 07-07-21 08:29:51 _____________________________________________________